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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Feb 11, 2014 11:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

From 2004:
While I don't necessarily agree with a lot of what this guy says this is a common take on the Boys. Your average uninitiated American would probably agree with his sentiment. (I was gonna say the uninitiated and the "great unwashed" but then realized that probably is more appropriate to describe Deadheads after 3 or 4 shows in a row. ;)

"The Dead were successful cause they created an anti-establishment counterculture that kids could escape to for a few weeks, take drugs, party, dance, and sell veggie burritos to pay for the fake tickets they were about to scalp. If you’re simply a casual Dead fan (do any of those exist?) then you can probably name no more than 4 Dead songs (“Truckin”, “Uncle John’s Band”, “Casey Jones” or “Touch of Grey”). The fact that to this day this band still sells millions of dollars worth of merchandise, bootlegs are still traded like stocks, and tour without Jerry (that’s like Crazy Horse touring without Neil) shows me that it’s all based upon the hype right now and has nothing to do with actual band."

http://bumslogic.wordpress.com/2004/09/08/top-10-most-overrated-musicians-of-all-time/

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Feb 12, 2014 3:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

I can't really take this guy too seriously based on his comments about the Beatles.

If he thinks that their first 2 albums were nothing but bubble gum pop, he needs to go back and re listen to some of the subtle and innovative stuff that is going on in those songs.

They may be pop tunes as he says, but they were trend setting none the less.
Love 'em or hate 'em ( I happen to love 'em) the Beatles were innovative from the outset, and literally turned popular music on it's head and changed it forever.
As for his comments about Jerry and the Dead.... well, when haven't we heard that before? I'll agree to disagree.

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Feb 12, 2014 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

Oh ya right, like the continued popularity is based upon "hype." Probably has nothing to do with the beautiful music...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 12, 2014 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

I walked away from the Monterey Fairgrounds when Bobby started "singing" Mission in the Rain ... I found nothing beautiful in the moment, and I was profoundly distressed by the dirtbag contingent following the band that trashed the immediate surrounding areas.

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Feb 12, 2014 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

I don't really understand your point. The GD didn't make beautiful music?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 12, 2014 9:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

No, they did - other than that excrement at Blossom Music Center in Ohio. (it's a joke...)

My post was more about Furthur and others. Wrong placement in the the thread.

That said, I understand why folks don't like the GD and think they are overrated. It takes some time, and overlooking some glaring mistakes, before one gets "it". But once you get it...

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Feb 12, 2014 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

"But once you get it..."

The tough get going?

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Feb 12, 2014 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

Oh man! The mighty Blossom '85! I'm glad you remembered. And I see what you're saying, although I have to admit that every time I've seen Furthur it's been a great experience. Particularly the week in Mexico recently. Truly a GD experience.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Feb 12, 2014 8:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

Phew.....

Glad you yanked me back into reality. I was just about to delete 4.5 Tb of shows because they were "hype"........

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Feb 12, 2014 9:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

glad to help

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Feb 11, 2014 3:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

I was going with this till he said the Beatles were a horrible live band . Well maybe in the last leg of their touring . But they were, by all accounts, a tight, great live act , before the constant screaming made it impossible . His comments about the Beatles are just silly, and inaccurate to boot . I shouldn't get annoyed by someone who is being nasty, and stirring up trouble .
I could argue anyone is overrated, and it has been done . Forgetting this guys shallow analysis ("Phil Lesh plays bass like a cannonball being fired into your stomach"... what does that mean ? that could be said of any bass player ).
Yes, the band is overrated in someways, by Deadheads , and by us here . We forgive an awful lot . But as that bass player said "lame, but noble" . It is the depth of that nobility that lets us overlook the lameness .

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Poster: c-freedom Date: Feb 12, 2014 10:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

I will hear out any criticism a Head has got related to just about anything related to the Dead's music but could care less what anyone who 'never crossed the line' has to say about the music.

"Don't be worrying about those people, Never see those people anyway"

I am listening to the soundboard from 12.19.73 sound by Charlie Miller.

Looks like this copy was out of circulation for awhile:

https://archive.org/details/gd1973-12-19.sbd.miller.113503.flac16

Let the rock critic put on some headphones and then tell us about Phil and cannonballs.
The Nobody's Fault is over the top and then
into 16 + minutes of The Other One!

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Poster: kochman Date: Feb 11, 2014 12:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

10 Bands?

Furthur
The Other Ones
The Dead
Ratdog
Phil & Friends

There's 5!
I think that those bands are based on the hype.

However, I think Jerry was the best guitarist in Rock n Roll history... and that's what created the hype.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 11, 2014 2:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

I agree w his list largely. You all have heard me say all this for yrs and yrs (yes, even before 2004). The DEAD were living off the hype (their glory days) since about 71, in my view (ie, the classic points about declines in vocals, song writing, etc.). This guy basically critiques the 80s and 90s DEAD and that is more or less on target. Of course those performances largely sucked, and folks enjoyed it because of their love of the BAND not the actual product. Don't write in--just making the same ol same old pt, right?

But, here he misses the point: the DEAD are unique because they lasted so long, and if we examine the "real" product, 68-70, we see the "cover band" biz evaporates, blah, blah, blah. I talked just the way he did about them by 95, and most folks here, even the ones that love "all DEAD, all the time" would probably concede that point...

Yes, I even have said many times here that EC wasn't critical to CREAM--any old top ten guitarist would've been okay as long as you had JB & GB.

So, overall, I think some of these points have merit; nothing too off the wall about these comments (clearly this critic needs creativity with a uppercase C, musical abilities, etc., etc.).

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Poster: kochman Date: Feb 11, 2014 6:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

OK now Tell... Let me be clear!
I don't really like anything they did before 71 nearly as much as I do 72-93...
I can pinpoint shows and reasons all day long on this topic.

I would venture that 72-4 has the biggest fan base, and the 80's didn't get popular because of 1969... People didn't care so much about that period then.

I get that you like the early stuff, but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water here!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 12, 2014 1:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

;)

Yeah, that's my "same old, same old", re: early is better biz...just stirring things up (I do think we all agree that over the 30 yrs, they lost a lot by 95; since then, Bob at least, even more, etc.).

But, the thing that I feel the guy got completely wrong is that it is a mis-use of "hype" (I really meant "resting on their laurels" or "age related degradation can't be avoided" or whatever explanation you want to provide)...

Thus, to say the DOORS were "all hype" or some such, I get, right? IE, the notion that there might not have been any substance to them (I actually disagree, but most are sympathetic to this position)...the idea that some band was cahsing in on a trend, or band wagon; more marketing (ahem) of some sort than real creativity?

That is misapplied to the DEAD; they did all those things early on, and have such a long history that it can't be hype, really--but one might say that (as I would) that in the 80s and 90s it was more about reputation than substance? It seems most folks feel that way about Further, though I get that PatK feels otherwise...

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Poster: kochman Date: Feb 12, 2014 4:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

I think 90s dead was definitely more reputation than delivery, but there were those great moments that many kept going for... and getting less and less consistently.

I agree with you that the Doors were awesome, as well.